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		<title>By: Summer</title>
		<link>http://www.browniepointsblog.com/2008/07/08/grocery-store-inventory-quirks/comment-page-1/#comment-119832</link>
		<dc:creator>Summer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was surprised to read this post. Did WF not give you any alternatives, such as agar agar? It&#039;s a very common alternative to gelatin...at least where I come from. Maybe that has a lot to do with the large vegetarian and asian communities we have in Vancouver? It is a seaweed extract and I&#039;ve used it in many recipes. Here&#039;s an article from the Georgia Straight, with a couple of recipes to boot! http://www.straight.com/article/agar-agar-keeps-moulded-salads-and-desserts-jiggly-hoof-free</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was surprised to read this post. Did WF not give you any alternatives, such as agar agar? It&#8217;s a very common alternative to gelatin&#8230;at least where I come from. Maybe that has a lot to do with the large vegetarian and asian communities we have in Vancouver? It is a seaweed extract and I&#8217;ve used it in many recipes. Here&#8217;s an article from the Georgia Straight, with a couple of recipes to boot! <a href="http://www.straight.com/article/agar-agar-keeps-moulded-salads-and-desserts-jiggly-hoof-free" rel="nofollow">http://www.straight.com/article/agar-agar-keeps-moulded-salads-and-desserts-jiggly-hoof-free</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Mormino</title>
		<link>http://www.browniepointsblog.com/2008/07/08/grocery-store-inventory-quirks/comment-page-1/#comment-117884</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Mormino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize I&#039;m a little late to the party here but thought I&#039;d drop a line.  Trust me, my post does veer towards food ethics... in its meandering way.

For the record, Whole Foods Market does carry Knox gelatin in packets.  I&#039;ve used them in the cooking classes I teach there regularly.  Been with the company for close to 5 years and I&#039;ve never seen a store that doesn&#039;t carry it in my region.  It&#039;s certainly not on any sort of ethical banned list or anything.  

WFM also carries marshmallows that are made with fish gelatin for passover as fish gelatin is approved by many Orthodox Jewish Kashrut authorities.  Interestingly enough I read years ago of certain Kashrut authorities digging into the chemistry of dry gelatin - and coming up with a decision that pork derived gealtin was so far removed from the animal that it didn&#039;t qualify as pork any more and as such some, but not all, pork derived gelatin can actually be certified Kosher.  The majority of approved kosher gelatin is derived from fish heads so even orthodox jews who keep kosher can find themselves in an ethical food delimma.

Now if you&#039;ll excuse me, I&#039;m-a-gonna go cut me a thick slice of duck foie gras and sear that puppy in some applewood bacon fat with a dusting of ground ginger snaps.  Seriously.  Got a grade B half lobe in the fridge.

Cheers and thanks for hosting such a thoughtful and in many ways inspiring blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize I&#8217;m a little late to the party here but thought I&#8217;d drop a line.  Trust me, my post does veer towards food ethics&#8230; in its meandering way.</p>
<p>For the record, Whole Foods Market does carry Knox gelatin in packets.  I&#8217;ve used them in the cooking classes I teach there regularly.  Been with the company for close to 5 years and I&#8217;ve never seen a store that doesn&#8217;t carry it in my region.  It&#8217;s certainly not on any sort of ethical banned list or anything.  </p>
<p>WFM also carries marshmallows that are made with fish gelatin for passover as fish gelatin is approved by many Orthodox Jewish Kashrut authorities.  Interestingly enough I read years ago of certain Kashrut authorities digging into the chemistry of dry gelatin &#8211; and coming up with a decision that pork derived gealtin was so far removed from the animal that it didn&#8217;t qualify as pork any more and as such some, but not all, pork derived gelatin can actually be certified Kosher.  The majority of approved kosher gelatin is derived from fish heads so even orthodox jews who keep kosher can find themselves in an ethical food delimma.</p>
<p>Now if you&#8217;ll excuse me, I&#8217;m-a-gonna go cut me a thick slice of duck foie gras and sear that puppy in some applewood bacon fat with a dusting of ground ginger snaps.  Seriously.  Got a grade B half lobe in the fridge.</p>
<p>Cheers and thanks for hosting such a thoughtful and in many ways inspiring blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Hillary</title>
		<link>http://www.browniepointsblog.com/2008/07/08/grocery-store-inventory-quirks/comment-page-1/#comment-115221</link>
		<dc:creator>Hillary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see this conversation has taken a different angle in the comments but back to the original question of not being able to make our own food ethics choices...

What I like about having a variety of grocery stores is having the chance to choose who&#039;s ethics you agree with the most. Sure, sometimes you just need a box of gelatin but most times, it&#039;s nice to find a grocery store that agrees with your values. There is likely a grocery store for every kind of person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see this conversation has taken a different angle in the comments but back to the original question of not being able to make our own food ethics choices&#8230;</p>
<p>What I like about having a variety of grocery stores is having the chance to choose who&#8217;s ethics you agree with the most. Sure, sometimes you just need a box of gelatin but most times, it&#8217;s nice to find a grocery store that agrees with your values. There is likely a grocery store for every kind of person.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally Parrott Ashbrook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally Parrott Ashbrook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the easy egg white free style of gelatin stabilized whipped cream mousse&quot;? I am not familiar with this--can you email me the recipe or post it on the blog?



&lt;blockquote&gt;This is one of those &quot;recipes&quot; that I don&#039;t have written down.  The gist is I puree the flavor component and fold it into barely sweetened whipped up whipped cream that had a bit of dissolved gelatin added to it.  The gelatin will then help preserve the structure of the whipped cream.

Here&#039;s a brief guess on amounts:
+ 1 packet of unflavored gelatin dissolved in 1-2 Tbs hot water, set aside briefly

+ 1 pint of whipped cream
Whip in a mixer and drizzle in ~1 tbs of maple syrup or a sprinkle of sugar.  Add the dissolved gelatin and bring the whipped cream to stiff peaks.

+ fold into your sweetened whipped cream the flavor component of your choice (pudding, fruit puree, sweetened cream cheese, cake chunks...).

Refrigerate in individual serving cups to set up the gelatin. 

The one I was getting ready to make with this particular grocery store excursion was a banana whipped cream mousse.

cheers
--McAuliflower&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the easy egg white free style of gelatin stabilized whipped cream mousse&#8221;? I am not familiar with this&#8211;can you email me the recipe or post it on the blog?</p>
<blockquote><p>This is one of those &#8220;recipes&#8221; that I don&#8217;t have written down.  The gist is I puree the flavor component and fold it into barely sweetened whipped up whipped cream that had a bit of dissolved gelatin added to it.  The gelatin will then help preserve the structure of the whipped cream.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a brief guess on amounts:<br />
+ 1 packet of unflavored gelatin dissolved in 1-2 Tbs hot water, set aside briefly</p>
<p>+ 1 pint of whipped cream<br />
Whip in a mixer and drizzle in ~1 tbs of maple syrup or a sprinkle of sugar.  Add the dissolved gelatin and bring the whipped cream to stiff peaks.</p>
<p>+ fold into your sweetened whipped cream the flavor component of your choice (pudding, fruit puree, sweetened cream cheese, cake chunks&#8230;).</p>
<p>Refrigerate in individual serving cups to set up the gelatin. </p>
<p>The one I was getting ready to make with this particular grocery store excursion was a banana whipped cream mousse.</p>
<p>cheers<br />
&#8211;McAuliflower</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Katez0r</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katez0r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jocelyn, I asked our grocery buyer about this, and it was already on his radar.  He&#039;s worked there for years, so he&#039;s very in touch with what our customers want.  This is a simple case of not being set up with a conventional vendor yet, and none of our other vendors carry it, it&#039;ll be coming as soon as we&#039;re set up. No idea when that&#039;ll be, though.  

Oh, and Maija is correct about shelf space for some items.  We just found out that our remodel has been post-poned indefinitely, although they are knocking down walls to expand the bakery.    

Oh yeah, we just got a new deli manager, and our main cook is leaving (who has no idea how to taste his food, drives me crazy), so hopefully the deli will stop sucking so bad.  

later!



&lt;blockquote&gt;thanks so much for checking on on this and getting the real story Katez0r!  I won&#039;t spread anymore anti-gelatin rumors :)

cheers
--McAuliflower&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jocelyn, I asked our grocery buyer about this, and it was already on his radar.  He&#8217;s worked there for years, so he&#8217;s very in touch with what our customers want.  This is a simple case of not being set up with a conventional vendor yet, and none of our other vendors carry it, it&#8217;ll be coming as soon as we&#8217;re set up. No idea when that&#8217;ll be, though.  </p>
<p>Oh, and Maija is correct about shelf space for some items.  We just found out that our remodel has been post-poned indefinitely, although they are knocking down walls to expand the bakery.    </p>
<p>Oh yeah, we just got a new deli manager, and our main cook is leaving (who has no idea how to taste his food, drives me crazy), so hopefully the deli will stop sucking so bad.  </p>
<p>later!</p>
<blockquote><p>thanks so much for checking on on this and getting the real story Katez0r!  I won&#8217;t spread anymore anti-gelatin rumors <img src='http://www.browniepointsblog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>cheers<br />
&#8211;McAuliflower</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: oregoncoastgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>oregoncoastgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The also don&#039;t dig it when you ask if they carry foie gras.  At least, the lady I asked didn&#039;t.  Whoops!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The also don&#8217;t dig it when you ask if they carry foie gras.  At least, the lady I asked didn&#8217;t.  Whoops!</p>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I just noticed that you had basically covered the main thrust of my comment in your original post. Woops :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I just noticed that you had basically covered the main thrust of my comment in your original post. Woops <img src='http://www.browniepointsblog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Responding to Irie&#039;s comment:) &quot;If you know of a company that makes some wholesome ethical gelatin, instead of using waste from the icky-meat industry, you should recommend it to the store manager!

I feel like using &quot;waste&quot; from the icky-meat industry is precisely what prevents the &quot;icky-meat&quot; industry from being wasteful. Surely to just throw away bones and hooves would be far more of a shame?

Did your Whole Foods ever explain why they didn&#039;t stock it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Responding to Irie&#8217;s comment:) &#8220;If you know of a company that makes some wholesome ethical gelatin, instead of using waste from the icky-meat industry, you should recommend it to the store manager!</p>
<p>I feel like using &#8220;waste&#8221; from the icky-meat industry is precisely what prevents the &#8220;icky-meat&#8221; industry from being wasteful. Surely to just throw away bones and hooves would be far more of a shame?</p>
<p>Did your Whole Foods ever explain why they didn&#8217;t stock it?</p>
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		<title>By: Haley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;d like to invite you to participate in our July berry recipe contest.  All competitors will be placed on our blogroll, and the winner will receive a fun prize!  Please email me, haleyglasco@gmail.com, if you&#039;re interested.  Feel free to check out our blog for more details.  (Click on my name in the message header link to visit our blog. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;d like to invite you to participate in our July berry recipe contest.  All competitors will be placed on our blogroll, and the winner will receive a fun prize!  Please email me, <a href="mailto:haleyglasco@gmail.com">haleyglasco@gmail.com</a>, if you&#8217;re interested.  Feel free to check out our blog for more details.  (Click on my name in the message header link to visit our blog. <img src='http://www.browniepointsblog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is kind of weird. 

We have a new Whole Foods here, with the longest meat display case in their Midwest chain.

I&#039;ll have to see if gelatin is on the shelf. Maybe it has something to do with how it&#039;s produced - as someone said above, the product doesn&#039;t meet their standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is kind of weird. </p>
<p>We have a new Whole Foods here, with the longest meat display case in their Midwest chain.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have to see if gelatin is on the shelf. Maybe it has something to do with how it&#8217;s produced &#8211; as someone said above, the product doesn&#8217;t meet their standards.</p>
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